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 Post subject: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:01 pm 
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I will try to download a picture of my cactus - the flower was done in reds and I cannot get it to take the shapes I want. I am wondering if there is anything more I can try. The first picture is the red flower. I also did one in yellow that came out much better. Any comments or ideas would be appreciated. I have a ton on cactus flowers I want to paint.

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I haven't uploaded for a while - I hope this works!


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:44 am 
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Peter Faust darkens things by mixing in black to the colour on the next fire. Just becareful if you have used a cadmium colour as you need to use cadmium black for this method.


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 2:28 pm 
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I would have used 2 coats of Meissen paint and shaded them with a bit of brown?


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:37 pm 
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Maybe use penwork to define the outline?


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 2:00 pm 
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I would use a red brown pen paint or DWBMedium thinned for penwork, add detail petals edges. let dry then add some oil based WASH of ruby, or Am beauty. (red pink/magenta ) on shadowy areas , some darker blood red, for deep red tones. maybe with brown for deepest darks. I have also used some , thinned enamel or non ping and brushed on a couple edges for a bit of LIGHT and edge relief.

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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 4:02 pm 
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Look at the definition accomplished in "Pansies by Lis Imholz, Netherlands" in this post. The shadows of the petals are amazing.


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 10:29 pm 
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Pat. Think in terms of value. For gold colors, I always shade with a blue value to make it recede or depth. For Yellows, if you add more yellow it just becomes opaque. I usually shade the yellows with Tan (a muddy yellow) & Antique Green (a yellow muddy green). For the reds, go down the value scale. Yellow Red, Blood Red, and third value of red would be Violet of Iron. The Violet of Iron is a very pretty shading color. You can also mix Ruby with Bllod Red or Violet of Iron to get. Richer darker value. Hope this helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Depth for red cactus flower
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 11:39 am 
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I usually put in the shadows with a heavy coat of Blood Red, fire and then use successive washes of Meissen Red until I get the depth that I want. To maintain reds they need to be applied quite dry, so not too much oil in the brush and they need to be applied quite strongly. Hope this helps.


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